Ep. 54: Danna Pycher – Healing Your Body With the Power of Your Subconscious Mind

We often think healing trauma that’s buried deep is hard – but it doesn’t need to be.

Sometime in 2011, I had my first experience with hypnotherapy. I was positive that the therapist would hypnotize me to the point of me being kind of unconscious and then after everything was done I’d be cured and I definitely wouldn’t be able to remember anything. How wrong I was. And it was only a couple of years ago, when I was studying to become a clinical hypnotherapist that I realized how that therapist didn’t really prepare me for the session and what is actually happening during the time when a person is in hypnosis.

I really like the potential of hypnotherapy because the subconscious mind is so powerful and it can help you tremendously when healing any kind of trauma, injuries included. And because there always are deeper levels to discover and heal, if you’re willing to look for them.

Danna Pycher realized that after a car accident that led to her having to relearn how to walk, but also left her unsure of everything she had been sure of up until that point. So she turned inwards to heal, and in the process discovered hypnotherapy, which drew her so much that she’s now a hypnotherapist herself, as well as a motivational speaker whose TEDx talk has been viewed nearly 3 million times.

In this interview, you’ll discover:

  • Why and how any shock to your body needs to be processed and resolved for best recovery outcome.
  • What you absolutely need to look into when dealing with pain.
  • Which feeling you need to be experiencing the most for you to be able to heal with ease.
  • Hands-on work: a rapid healing technique for dissipating discomfort.

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Show notes & links

The show notes are written in chronological order.

00:00 – excerpt from the episode
00:53 – intro (listen to discover a little more about your host. Martin will tell you a new lesser-known fact about Dr. Maya)

01:33
Dr. Maya Novak:
Sometime in 2011 I had my first experience with hypnotherapy. I was positive that how this works is that the therapist would hypnotize me to the point of me being kind of unconscious and then after everything was done I’d be cured and I definitely wouldn’t be able to remember anything. How wrong I was. And it was only a couple of years ago, when I was studying to become a clinical hypnotherapist that I realized how that therapist didn’t really prepare me for the session and what is actually happening during the time when a person is in hypnosis.
The subconscious mind is so powerful and it can help you tremendously when healing any kind of trauma, injuries included. In 2019 I watched a TED talk of Danna Pycher and soon after we got in touch. We did an interview for my second summit and because we got such great feedback on this talk, I decided to release it here and now. Enjoy.

02:37
Dr. Maya Novak:
In this interview, I’m joined by Danna Pycher who is a hypnotherapist and motivational speaker who’s TED Talk has been viewed more than 1.5 million times. She specializes in healing trauma, stress, anxiety, autoimmune disorders, and weight loss. She works with people from around the world to help them overcome underlying emotional issues that create or aggravate physical distress. Danna, thank you so much for being here.

03:08
Danna Pycher:
Thank you for having me. I’m super happy to be here.

03:10
Dr. Maya Novak:
I’m super excited about this interview. I know a bit about your story, about your work, and I know that participants/listeners are going to – it’s going to be incredible for them. And we’re going to do also some hands-on work, so I cannot wait. But before we go into this juiciness, can you share a bit about yourself, and why you become a hypnotherapist?

03:37
Danna Pycher:
Usually, what I say often is that I became a hypnotherapist by accident, by mistake. I never really thought I’d be in this line of work as a healer in the alternative realms. It was never something even intriguing to me. It was never on my radar at all until it became a necessity, and it came into my life by accident, which is what I was. I was in a near-fatal car accident about 10 years ago now, and my physical injury due to the accident was immense. I broke all parts of my pelvis. I was handicapped for a long, long time. I had to learn how to walk and talk again. And that aspect had nothing; zero, to do with my mental and emotional state. Oftentimes no one really talks about the fact that there’s the injury component, which needs time to heal physically, but then there’s the aftermath of the mental and emotional aspects. So, I was not aware of that. All I was aware of was the fact that before my accident, I was this confident. I used to work in as a journalist, a go-getter, and nothing can stop me, and then after the accident, I was a shell of a person, as if my soul was sucked out of me. Every little spark was gone. So, I knew I needed therapy. I just – that was it. I thought – I knew I had what’s called PTSD – Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. I was familiar with what that is and I actually kind of felt it. I was like, yeah, something significantly happened to me and I need help somehow. Long story short, I found this therapist, and although she was really great in some aspects, I still felt highly traumatized and I was not moving the deeper levels of what I needed. So, I just left because I was basically looking for someone five steps ahead of me, a couple of steps ahead of me, rather than me running circles around this woman – and not to say she wasn’t intelligent and she wasn’t good. It was just like I was five times beyond that. I could only talk about my accident seventy times without resolve for me to realize, okay, nothing’s moving here. So, I got very lucky, and I was introduced to a trauma therapist and sure enough, her specialty happened to be hypnosis. I didn’t know that at the time when I was introduced to her. All I knew was she gave someone else their life back – from what this referral said – and I said, okay. My middle name is trauma. Let’s go. What ended up happening, the interesting part and I talk about this in the TED-X Talk, is I didn’t realize at the time, but everything she was working on me with my trauma, and not just the car accident. In fact, that wasn’t even the most thing we worked on, it was kind of life in general. Before my accident, I had chronic fatigue, after my I developed fibromyalgia. And through this hypnotic work with her, I started realizing the pain in my legs started getting better. And then there’s a whole story that kind of continues from there, but I started putting the two and two together of, okay, interesting. Why are my legs feeling better and I’m not even talking about that? So, that’s the beginning.

06:59
Dr. Maya Novak:
I love that you shared this and this is also one of the reasons why I invited you to be a speaker, not just because you have such an incredible story, but because you also understand personally what is happening after the accident. So, it’s not just, yeah, you know, here you’re going to wait for a few weeks or a few months and everything is back to normal. Usually, it’s not that because it has an effect like you said, there is the aftermath that happens that is not talked about enough.

07:36
Danna Pycher:
Mhm.

07:37
Dr. Maya Novak:
So, can you share a bit. What was, for you, the hardest emotionally and mentally after the accident and when you were going through this recovery process?

07:49
Danna Pycher:
The aspect of being incapable, right. Before my accident, I was a very independent girl. I did everything on my own. After the accident, I was incredibly dependent on others around me, and I hated that. That was anti my personality. There was a lot of growth in that. There was a lot of – I personally, mentally, emotionally, physically and spiritually, grew from trusting others to take care of me, but I was forced to. So, I think the biggest thing – the biggest torture I had after the accident was, first of all, a loss of the self because I didn’t know if I’d get back to normal. Especially when every authority figure around me said you mostly will not. And the aspect of losing autonomy, which is very difficult to be in that position.

08:40
Dr. Maya Novak:
Yeah.

08:40
Danna Pycher:
Thank you for asking that question.

08:43
Dr. Maya Novak:
You mentioned one really important thing. Even though medical professionals around you were telling you most likely you’re not going to be okay or back to normal, but it was something different in your journey. Do you think that just the therapy and hypnosis had that effect? Or do you think that there was something else, perhaps something that was already within you that you brought up?

09:13
Danna Pycher:
It was for sure within me, one hundred percent. I’m the type that I don’t stop until I get a yes, right. Not in every aspect, not in that sense, but when it comes to my health – I’ll tell you this, I’ll tell you why. Because I already had a history with chronic fatigue and I effectively got better despite the fact that doctors didn’t help me. I got better on my own and I realized, okay, you can upgrade your nutrition. You can learn to master this and stuff like that. Because I already had a history, and also just due to my personality, I’m quite stubborn, it was already innately in me to get through it, and that was it. I’m not going to listen to that. That’s the last thing I’m going to listen to. It’s funny because I actually had one time tell me that I have the opposite of a victim mentality, and I didn’t even know what that meant at the time. I was like, oh, okay, thanks. Like it’s really refreshing to see this that you don’t have a victim mentality, and I was like, okay. Now, I look back and I think that saved my life.

10:18
Dr. Maya Novak:
Absolutely. It’s so true. We have – as you just shared – we have a really similar story in that regard. What I heard from doctors and what I was thinking about was like, yeah, but you don’t actually know me, so I’m going to do my thing …

10:36
Danna Pycher:
Yes.

10:36
Dr. Maya Novak:
… and let’s see what actually happens.

10:39
Danna Pycher:
Exactly.

10:39
Dr. Maya Novak:
So, you work as a hypnotherapist, you work a lot with the subconscious mind. Now, can you share why is it important to look beyond just the physical aspect when it comes to healing?

10:57
Danna Pycher:
That’s kind of my middle name. Every person I work with – and I work with mystery illnesses as well. I work with the people that they just – they don’t understand what’s going on with them. But, my biggest belief is that – first of all, we have a nervous system, right. We have the general functioning of the body, the brain, and how it works. So, there’s a couple of principles that I have, right. First of all, we have fight or flight. So, if we’re stuck in fight or flight, there’s an element of our body always being in that overdrive of always being on that search, that mission, that never-ending driver. I either call it the train, like a train on the train tracks that’s going like a thousand miles an hour or the driver. And what that does is it exhausts the body of its resources. So, that’s number one, that can, of course, create pain, and it, of course, can create fatigue specifically. And also the way our society is, we’re a society based on doing, not a society based on being – or where I’m from. So, there’s an element of a subconscious push. We’re always pushing, pushing, pushing, through our limits, and that is exhausting. So, that’s number one. Number two; there is, of course, the element of physical breaks, right. You break a leg, and you’re hurting and I can’t do anything about that, okay. I can say whatever I want to say, but you have a broken bone and that’s it. But what happens when that bone has healed and it still has immense pain? My belief is that’s shock, okay. That’s major shock that is still level and resonating, radiating from that part of your body that shouldn’t be hurt anymore. It’s healed but the body and the mind hasn’t gotten the message yet that it’s okay to let go, you’re safe, right. So, that’s kind of another principle I have. Until your mind feels safe and communicates that to your nervous system and your limbs and your heart and all that stuff, you’re going to still feel pain. There’s so many other layers, but yes, I’m a huge advocate of the mental, emotional, and even spiritual aspects of healing and also the overcoming of what you’ve been through. So, my belief is that we get addictions, traumas, injuries, accidents, disease, because we’re meant to evolve through them. They are our markers in life of what we’re meant to overcome and that is kind of like our pathway to spiritual growth. So, there’s always the learning behind the big major events or even the smaller events that we’re meant to continually evolve with.

13:46
Dr. Maya Novak:
I do believe in that as well. So, some say it as this happened for a reason. I sometimes explain it as it might be a metaphor for something else in your life, so it’s not just this body that is right now injured, but it might be that there is some trauma from way back, from the past or from childhood. And this could potentially be the only way for your soul or spirit to evolve.

14:19
Danna Pycher:
Yes, one hundred percent. Also, there’s ancestry – like ancestral stuff. That’s a new – I keep saying that’s a new fascination of mine – that’s an old fascination of mine and it’s something I’ve been fascinated with – transgenerational trauma. Oftentimes a lot of fatigue and pain is the body speaking out. You kind of embody what your grandparents went through or your great-great-grandparents. We don’t even know, and that’s a fascinating thing as well where sometimes – or even your parents. Sometimes when you’re little and there’s distress in your household and you become chronically ill due to an overload of energy that’s not even yours that you just really never learned how to process.

15:05
Dr. Maya Novak:
Mhm.

15:06
Danna Pycher:
There’s so many aspects.

15:07
Dr. Maya Novak:
How do you know or how do uncover that something perhaps is coming from parents, grandparents, great-grandparents? How do you actually uncover this? Is this through hypnosis? Or is this through therapy? Is this something that a person can do on their own? How is this?

15:29
Danna Pycher:
Great question. It’s something that I’ve realized over time, and sometimes it comes up to me like when I’m talking to someone. I’m like, yeah, this has to do with them. I’ve been doing this for quite a while now and I’m like, yeah, that’s their mom. And I’m like oh, that’s their grandfather. And it comes up. It’s weird because the subconscious will talk to you. It will talk to me, and I’m like, all right. Actually, the last person I was just working with before this call, she’s going through some major health issues and it’s none of hers. It’s just this absorption she had throughout life of a very, very tough household. And she’s just resonating, she’s radiating it out and she wants nothing to do with it. But it’s something of a learned energetic absorption, I guess you can call it; I don’t have any better words to say. And oftentimes I can come up in hypnosis. There’s also a technique I love called Family Constellations if you’re familiar with it, which I find fascinating. I’ve done kind of a handful of – not me personally – but I’ve been in group sessions where I’m like blown away by my own personal stuff. I’m like really? Like that comes from there and what? And it just …

16:43
Dr. Maya Novak:
Can you talk a bit about this Family Constellation.

16:47
Danna Pycher:
Well, I’ll tell you personally what happened in my own experience. I was in a Constellation and I happened – a Constellation is a really cool thing. It’s group work, and it also works on your subconscious but in kind of a more bigger picture around the dynamics. Like they call it Family Constellation, it’s the constellation around you, the systems around you, your family, and your siblings and beyond. So, I had some limiting belief of something about survival and what happened was – and this belief does not resonate with me consciously. Like it’s not something – I don’t even halfway believe in it, but I feel it deeply and it’s limiting me. I brought it up to the group and it’s really fascinating how it works out. What happens is you put different pieces of representatives, right. Like a piece of paper or something and other people will come and stand up and represent different family members. What mine evolved into was my grandfather’s first wife – my grandparents are Holocaust survivors and there’s also a fascination I have of war and the trauma that has on the generations after. So, my grandfather’s first wife, who died during the first bombing in Poland, she was pregnant, it was something to do with her and my grandfather’s grief that was never really expressed for her, that my body was exhibiting. And I didn’t know her; I had no attachment to her. There’s nothing for me to feel like I’m connected in that way except for the story I know. And it was this embodiment I had of his grief and his need to survive the war and it’s nothing to do with me. It came up in a limiting belief I had, and I’m like you’ve got be kidding me. Like I don’t know how it got there or why that’s even happening. But the moment that was processed, it was gone for me.

19:04
Dr. Maya Novak:
And it was gone also in regards to that there was – what? No pain anymore or any…

19:11
Danna Pycher:
Yeah. There’s so many more details around that specific case. But like particularly, that was a limiting belief I had and it was more so kind of like a mental block than anything around kind of physically. But, yeah, let’s just say I don’t have that anymore. It’s gone, and it was nothing to do with me.

19:32
Dr. Maya Novak:
Sometimes I hear people, well, you know, I don’t need to work on my emotional or mental state because I’m just physically injured. So, just tell me what I have to do physically. What do you say about that? Or what is your opinion on that when people are just like no, you know, I’m just physically injured. I don’t need any other things or it might not even work for me.

19:59
Danna Pycher:
Yes. I tell them to find me in a year or two! Not even me, just when they kind of settle into it because – I’ll give an example. There’s a little girl I’m working with, super cute, and she developed seizures six months ago. She got hit by a softball. And so, any time there’s loud noise she has a seizure. She’s 12 and this started about six or seven months ago. They’ve been to every single doctor, and everything’s fine technically. So, what do I say about that? There’s shock on the body. So, it doesn’t have to be mental and emotional, it might not be at all. Like she’s a happy-go-lucky kid, but there is shock on the body, and until that shock is processed, resolved, and dissolved, then there’s going to be issues. And listen, it might not be for everything. If you cut a finger, I’m not going to have to hypnotize you. I always say like listen, I prefer that you don’t come to me. It’s better off when you don’t have to come to me, that’s great. But there are elements of – it depends – loss of identity and/or any of the emotional load you’re going through, that is number one for it. But also, not even mental and emotional, just purely the shock on the body. If we can turn the volume on that, your body will heal a lot better.

21:27
Dr. Maya Novak:
And especially with serious injuries. It’s impossible to not talk about the shock because if something so major happens – it might be for some people – but I cannot imagine not be affected by something so huge, by weeks or months or perhaps even years of recovery, and then being like, oh, no, I’m completely okay.

21:57
Danna Pycher:
Yeah. It’s funny because unless I experienced it myself, I would not have known – even after my car accident – and I was never a believer in therapy. Now, of course, I am, all the parts of different therapies and modalities, and I’m a big fan of lots of them and stuff like that. But I would never have thought that I would need therapy after an accident. It was not on my radar at all. It was just like okay, your bones heal, you back to work, and that’s it. I had to learn the hard way that my physical was not at all compared to the amount of shock and like inhibiting things that happened after, like mental blocks. When you’re injured, you start developing these little fears or mental blocks as well. Your psyche just wants to keep you safe. So, that’s an element, of course, as well that no one really talks about.

22:57
Dr. Maya Novak:
I would love to go deeper into these fears because fear is, in my experience, the most common emotion that comes up or develops after the accident. So, fear of re-injury, fear of not being okay, fear of the accident happening again, you name it. There’s a lot of fear after the accident or after the injury occurs. So, how do we start resolving this?

23:29
Danna Pycher:
First things first, I always believe it’s the shock, right. It’s the shock factor first because whenever you go through a major experience, or even like a minor injury that’s that your body went through something. It went through shock. My first thing is to turn down the volume on that shock and allow your reptilian brain, your amygdala to feel that you’re safe. So, that’s the first thing. Safety is a big element and the physical shock, taking that off your body. So, if you don’t, again, those elements of fear will creep in just strictly because the shock just gets bigger and bigger and bigger. Sometimes people, for example, I’ve worked with someone who – well, this is an interesting story. She had a phobia of being a passenger in a car. She could drive a car, right, but she just couldn’t be a passenger and she had incredible anxiety from being a passenger. Through regression therapy, which is one of my favorite techniques and going into the moment that created the emotional charge and load and kind of distilling them, what came up was she actually had a sexual trauma that she lost control, she was raped, and she lost control. It was 28 plus years ago, she was an older woman at the time, and it developed into a phobia of car-passenger seat. And you would think – I asked her, have you been in a car accident, is there anything relevant? No. So, the brain will distort things. That’s the end of it. The moment you have a major event happen, it’s just there. It’s in your mind. The best thing for preventative medicine would be to kind of distill it, and it just will create new perceptions out of the experience that you had.

25:32
Dr. Maya Novak:
It makes sense. Danna, is there any like small step that a person can start making when it comes to feeling safe? Is there anything that you can share? How can they do that, make that first step?

25:52
Danna Pycher:
That’s a great question. More and more I want to start teaching people personally and individually. Initially, I wanted to teach other practitioners, and now it’s become more in my awareness that everyone should know this. It doesn’t matter if they want to be practitioners or it’s just kind of in their toolbox. There’s a number of rapid healing techniques that I use for safety or just for a number of different things. When it comes to safety, the best way I know how to plug it in, again, is through regression. Going to where it was unsafe and allowing a process to happen and then to kind of implant that safety. But a thing I like to do lately kind of in regression, it might sound interesting or silly, for big car accidents or for major injuries or anything like that, I’ll use angels. This is something I love to use lately, just in the visualization, and you can even do it now. Like, for example, if something happened to me like in my car accident. This is something – why I use otherworldly force or a dimension is because it’s strong. So, if you believe in it or not, it’s fine. It’s just in the psyche it’s a strong source of energy, and it’s not you healing yourself, okay. It’s just another entity. It’s not someone else. It’s not you. It’s just a strong force. What I have done with my accident is what I see is – it was a devastating, terrifying thing. What I would do is I would bring like five different angels in and they would kind of put their hands on and they’d bring otherworldly energy, like the source of white light into me, and I would calm down the nervous system, calm down the brain. What it does is it kind of desensitizes you. It detaches you a little bit from that major shock. So, if you even want to close your eyes and just imagine, if you feel ready for that or you feel open for that. What I like about hypnosis is that you’re in a safe space, so you’re detached; you’re kind of like a birds-eye view. Therefore, I never say to anyone to revisit their trauma just to do it. It’s not advisable. What’s interesting about hypnosis is that you’re detached. It’s like you’re watching a movie. There’s an element of safety, and then from that element of safety, we can go into kind of like the things that need to be uplifted. And the double-whammy is that we’re actually doing it in the subconscious, which is where the healing needs to happen anyway.

28:38
Dr. Maya Novak:
We'll continue in just a moment. I wanted to quickly jump in for two things. First, thank you for tuning in. And second, I’m sure you have at least one friend, colleague, or family member who would very much appreciate this episode. So share it with them and help us spread the word. Now let’s continue…

28:59
Dr. Maya Novak:
So, for those who are not completely familiar with hypnosis, is hypnosis something that you are not completely aware of anything? Or how does this work? Because perhaps sometimes, especially if you watch a movie or something, we have that watch that is ticking and then someone falls into being hypnotized and they have no idea what is actually happening around them, and usually it’s on the stage and they are doing a lot of funny things. So, how does hypnosis actually work? Is it the same? Or is it different?

29:39
Danna Pycher:
It’s very different, and I know I was victim to that myself when my trauma therapist told me she was going to do hypnosis on me. I was like that’s the last thing you’re going to do on me. You’re not going to come close to me with that stuff. Because there’s the perception – most people know hypnosis through stage show hypnosis. And it’s funny because after doing hypnosis, probably three and a half years into doing it in a therapeutic context, I happened to see my first show, I’d never seen a show before that. I was blown away. I was like these people are faking it, it’s not real – and I’m a hypnotist for a solid three years, right. So, most people know it as that, but my biggest advocacy is that a lot of people do not know it. They’re not familiar with it as part of their game plan, as part of a possibility for healing. And my biggest advocacy is to create awareness about it because we have one brain, right, and that brain has collected material over time. We never learned, and just because we never learned how to process our emotions, and process the shock we’ve been through, it doesn’t mean we can’t learn now. It doesn’t mean we shouldn’t learn now and it doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be part of our experience. We’ve all lived lives, right. So, my biggest advocacy is if it’s that powerful, right – most people know it for quitting smoking, weight loss maybe, stress relief maybe. But most people know it for quitting smoking. I’ll always say if you know it for quitting smoking, if you can quit smoking with one session or two sessions, then why are we not translating this for depression or more serious issues or even physical pain. So now, more and more, people are making that leap. And also, I learned something recently – because I asked one of my favorite teachers why don’t people know of hypnosis if it’s the most powerful incredible technique? Why are people not familiar with it? And he basically said it’s the amount of hypnotists that there are. Therapists graduate by the hundreds of thousands per year; hypnotists, maybe a couple of thousand per year. So, it’s sheer numbers. There’s not a lot of us. And, those people that are not a lot of us, we’re spread throughout, and most of them only do lifestyle stuff. So, bit by bit it’ll become – I feel it’ll become more on the mainstream.

32:03
Dr. Maya Novak:
Things are definitely changing also in the medical system and it might be because patients want to have something else or more. Whatever it is, it’s changing. So, I’m also very excited about the future because it’s going to be definitely different than it is today or what it was five years ago.

32:28
Danna Pycher:
I think so too.

32:30
Dr. Maya Novak:
Yeah. Can we talk a bit more about pain and resolving pain, especially what do we need to look into when we are dealing with pain, and especially if we are talking about chronic pain? So, of course, there’s acute pain when the injury happens. At the beginning, it’s normal to be in pain. But often that then becomes chronic pain or we develop it out of nowhere. So, can we talk a bit about what do we need to look into beyond just the physical, or beyond just the medication?

33:07
Danna Pycher:
Great question. An opinion I have from things I’ve seen over time is that when people develop chronic pain, it’s their psyche. I call it banging the pots and pans, right. So, especially if there’s no injury, and if it’s radiating pain or even dull pain, I say that psyche is screaming, it’s looking for your attention. And the moment you give it your attention, the moment you’re – again – let’s put it like this. Let’s say something happened to you when you were five-years-old, right, and you never got a chance to scream. Or something really scary happened or whatever. Whenever there’s a bit of a trigger or some stimulus that somehow reminds the subconscious of that instance, it’s like a nick, right. And so your brain and your body have to reflect each other. They’re not detached. That’s my biggest thing with western medicine, is we’re compartmentalizing – the heart, the neuro system. No. One thing, right. So, that file folder, I call, of things that have happened that never got processed, that never got expressed, becomes bigger and bigger and bigger, until your body will express it for you. That’s it. So, there’s material that is in there, and especially for sensitive people because there are people that have incredibly strong constitutions. This is another discovery I’ve had recently, it’s called Highly Sensitive People, they happen to be more inclined to illness, pain, and stuff like that because we have – our radars are more sensitive and we absorb a lot and we don’t process enough. Basically, your mind is reflected in your body. If you have this radiating thought process, this traumatic thought process, even if you feel consciously fine, your body is expressing it for you. Your body is screaming for you.

35:00
Dr. Maya Novak:
I so agree with you because I have personal experience with that. Not with my ankle injury that happened in 2012, but later on I developed chronic pain and even though it was in one moment, I had to have a conversation with myself. Like, Maya, you know what, you are teaching this to your clients, you should do what you are actually teaching. Because I was doing what I think a lot of people are doing, just looking for the physical reason why I have this pain. When I looked into it from the emotional and mental and what was my body trying to tell me, then I was able to resolve it.

35:45
Danna Pycher:
Yes.

35:45
Dr. Maya Novak:
And before, it was just there.

35:47
Danna Pycher:
It’s just communicating to us, that’s it.

35:49
Dr. Maya Novak:
Yeah.

35:50
Danna Pycher:
Sometimes, some of us need to be great listeners. Since the accident – I was 23 years old – and before the accident, I had chronic fatigue and what I’ve learned in my life, that I’m just the type of person that I am sensitive. Not emotionally, it’s not a weakness. It’s just there’s an element of feel things deeper. And I can tell you 95 percent of the people that I work with, my clientele, they just happen to have a deeper sensitivity. They feel things deeper, right. So, they’re experiencing it as disease, but it’s just because they’re sensing – their sensory is a lot sharper, right. Even making that distinction is great. So for someone like me, I do a lot of listening, even for my own personal life. And I can tell you what, every time I kind of resolve something there’s a new download, a new understanding of like, oh, there’s rapid healing techniques that I’ve come up with from my own experience. I say I’ve had to become a wizard in my own life. I’ve had to become the magician of my own mind because of my own personal life experience, and no one did that for me. You just have to. You do it or you suffer. No one around me – I’m not surrounded by people that have chronic illness. I don’t even have a friend that goes through what I go through. I have healing friends that they have their experiences, but I don’t really – it’s not in my environment. So, there’s an element of it doesn’t matter if people believe me in my own way of working with myself and working with others. The results will show for themselves. But it’s like kind of being your own warrior. You have to be.

37:36
Dr. Maya Novak:
Absolutely. So, talking about healing, sometimes people really struggle with their bodies. They don’t heal or heal as expected, and sometimes this can be non-unions, or soft tissue just doesn’t heal. And for the bone to resolve this non-union, usually doctors use a bone stimulator. Can we talk about this type of approach to healing – so working with the subconscious, resolving things emotionally and mentally – can this potentially also help with these type of complications? And if so, how is this even possible because it’s something just happening physically, so the bone doesn’t heal.

38:30
Danna Pycher:
Yes. I would say it can help. I’ve never worked specifically exactly with that, where someone has a fresh injury and then it’s like I’m gaining all the soldiers of the mind to go heal it. So, I don’t know specifically for that one. It’s something we could explore. I usually work with people after the fact. So that, for sure I can say, yes, I can definitely help. But when it comes to right in the moment, the best probable possible would be just to kind of allow the mind the vision of what we want to get to as a whole healthy and healed person. That would probably be the best option. But in the moment, with a fresh injury, it would probably just be that.

39:20
Dr. Maya Novak:
Yes, I’m talking about usually bones, they heal in six to eight weeks, but sometimes even after 12 weeks or 16 weeks or 20 weeks, the bone just doesn’t heal, it’s non-union, and these type of complications. So, of course, when there is an accident right away, of course, the body normally it heals itself.

39:44
Danna Pycher:
Yeah.

39:45
Dr. Maya Novak:
But with complications such as something is not healed weeks or perhaps months after the accident. This is what I had in mind.

39:56
Danna Pycher:
So, it’s a good question. I would say the best thing for that would just to be to envision. There’s so many stories of people – most people that come into the world, even Dr. Joe Dispenza, who I get referred back to me a lot as well because we kind of have similar concepts. We both healed ourselves from injury and stuff like that. A lot of the people that get into the mind-body-spirit aspect of hypnotic work and visualization work and stuff like that, they healed themselves. So, the biggest aspect is future visioning. Just seeing it heal, committed to healing, focused on it healing. And that probably would be my best answer.

40:44
Dr. Maya Novak:
It makes sense. So, at the beginning, I said that we’re going to do a bit of hands-on work and that we’re going to do your rapid healing technique. Can you share about this and then guide us through?

40:58
Danna Pycher:
Mhm. So, I have a new passion for rapid healing and there’s a number of different techniques you can do with the new subconscious very quickly to process energy, to feel better mentally, emotionally, and physically. This one, I use a lot for people that have been injured that have some sort of pain or even arthritic pain for people that have arthritis or fibromyalgia or just like kind of radiant stagnant pain or whatever. People use it also for emotional – just stuckness – anything that’s stuck and stagnant. This came to me a couple of years ago. I had a fever, I was reading a book, and there was a concept that came to me of distilling and processing energy very quickly. And I just kind of had this feeling of like all right, well let me try to do this and maybe I’ll feel a bit better. So, I did this and my fever actually broke, which is incredible. And really all it is, is just you’re telling your subconscious mind that you’re listening, right. You’re paying attention, and you’re aware. It can stop yelling at you. We’ve got the point, it’s fine. And then, you can move through it. It’s a mantra I’ve come up with. So, the first thing you would do is you would close your eyes, and I can guide you through this in a minute. You close your eyes and you feel into the uncomfortable feeling. So, let’s say it’s a pain in your hip, right. So you feel underneath it, you feel into it, you give it attention, you’re not avoiding it. Like we want to do is not think about it and not pay attention. This is you’re going straight in. So, it’s going to be a bit uncomfortable. And then you work through it and it should dissipate, right. Some are stubborn. Some just kind of want to hang out there. But some, very quickly, the radiating pain, the dull pain can dissipate. What I say is “I neither accept nor reject this sensation or feeling. I’m just not resisting it.” And why do you say it like that? I neither accept means I don’t want more of it. I neither reject means because every time we try to reject something, the subconscious mind just loves to pull it on in and amplify it. I’m just not resisting it, meaning okay, I got it. It’s there; it’s just going to do its thing. It’s very liberating for the subconscious mind to feel – it’s not part of you – but to kind of feel that acknowledgment. So, we can do it. Again, you can do it for emotional distress. And this is kind of homework I give sometimes with the people I work with – or not even homework, it’s like a tool and I’m like, all right, take it. It’s yours forever whenever you need it. It’s like taking a Tylenol and taking pain medication. You’re actually working through the pain. Okay, so we can do it if you want.

43:55
Dr. Maya Novak:
Please.

43:57
Danna Pycher:
Okay. So go ahead and close your eyes – and we’ll do it for two minutes, okay. So, you’re just going to close your eyes, and you’re going to feel into your body. And even if your whole body is radiating, okay, I work with people also with fibromyalgia and their whole body is radiating. I tend to like to stick in a specific place, but anything goes. All right, so feel into your body and wherever your body kind of feels uncomfortable or wherever your priority is, just feel into it. And just notice how uncomfortable it is and I kind of say to get underneath the feeling, get behind the feeling, right. So, you can kind of feel as if you’re kind of pushing it through. All right, so feel the feeling. And you’re going to say in your mind over and over and over, you can go as quick as you want. It’s just going to keep happening over and over and over for the next two minutes. “I neither accept nor reject this feeling. I’m just not resisting it. I neither accept nor reject this feeling. I’m just not resisting it.” So, I’ll be quiet for a minute, and you’ll just allow that. It might get bigger, okay. It might get bigger and you might need to cry, you might need to yawn, you might need to move that energy, but eventually, it should dissipate. So, I’ll be quiet for a minute now, and we’ll do it together. And you don’t have to move it; you just bring your awareness there. “I neither accept nor reject this feeling. I’m just not resisting it.” So just keep doing it until it feels kind of dissipated. You might need to yawn or cough or stretch or cry. Take your time, and let me know when that feels good. Now breathe in white light to that area, purifying it and cleansing it, and breathe out black smoke, any residue. Breathe it out. Breathe in white light and we’re going to hold it in that area, distilling it, and purifying it. We’re just going to whirl around in that area purifying and breathe out black smoke, any residue. And breathe in white light, and one more time, breathe out. Good job. You did it.

47:09
Dr. Maya Novak:
This is beautiful, and it’s really easy and simple and something that, as we talked before we started this conversation, that sometimes the best techniques, the best tools are the simplest.

47:25
Danna Pycher:
Yeah.

47:25
Dr. Maya Novak:
So, it’s not something that is super complicated.

47:28
Danna Pycher:
I’m such a believer in that. I’m such a believer in that the body is so intelligent and we just need to get out of the way. We literally need to get out of the way, that’s it.

47:37
Dr. Maya Novak:
And here, what you were explaining at the end, it’s actually about moving the energy within the body. Because if I understand correctly here, it’s that the pain, for example, is just stuck energy and we just need to move it.

47:53
Danna Pycher:
Yeah. It’s just stagnant. Wherever it comes from, however, it comes from. Number one, it could be shock on the body or it could just be the body and mind expressing itself. It could be the nervous system. I call it like the contraction of the nervous system. So, there’s some sort of fear or some sort of elements of - again, the mind is reflected in the body – it’s some sort of an element of needing safety or an element – that’s why I say you can cry. Because sometimes when this energy moves you will cry, and it’s going to release energy. Then you’re like, oh, all right, I feel better. It’s stagnant, yes. And this is such a simple tool. It’s like are you serious? Like why would that – that shouldn’t work. And if you have to sit with it for five minutes. Sometimes things are stubborn and sometimes things are easy. Sometimes you’re like whoa, that was 30 seconds and I’m like, all right, the pain in my hip has gone.

48:47
Dr. Maya Novak:
Well, thank you for sharing this.

48:50
Danna Pycher:
You’re welcome.

48:51
Dr. Maya Novak:
Danna, what is your number one advice that you would give someone who is right now injured and healing their injury?

48:58
Danna Pycher:
The biggest thing I usually say is – for anything and everything – is never take no for an answer. If you’re suffering in a certain way and you’re not getting the precise help, there could be resources out there – there should be resources there. There’s lots of gifted people out there. And if you’re not feeling well, then keep the search up. Keep it up because there will be someone out there that is able to handle your specific load and your specific thing you’re going through. It might not be tomorrow. It might not be in three weeks from now. But eventually the accurate and precise support – because so many people are stuck in the support that’s not accurate for them and then they give up.

49:45
Dr. Maya Novak:
Mhm.

49:46
Danna Pycher:
So, get a good referral, talk to people, and just trust in the fact that the precise support is so important, right. Because had I stuck with my first therapist, and again she was great but had I stuck with her I would not have healed.

50:03
Dr. Maya Novak:
Mhm.

50:05
Danna Pycher:
And that was just kind of me thinking like I need something more precise for me, even though I didn’t really know what that meant at the time, and I’m lucky I kept the search up.

50:13
Dr. Maya Novak:
Yes, and perhaps it’s just when we are evolving we just need a different type of support. So, you’re just moving up the ladder.

50:23
Danna Pycher:
Oh, perfect. That’s it.

50:25
Dr. Maya Novak:
Yeah. So, for those who are listening and perhaps they are losing hope about their healing because sometimes this also happens, especially if healing is really long, for months or for years – what would you say to someone who losing hope about their healing?

50:44
Danna Pycher:
Just like you said, when you’re going through an experience, as you’re evolving as a human, you’re always going to evolve into the next support system or if you don’t have a support system the next – the people that are meant to come into your life will come into your life. And actually, the one thing you should lose is hope. I think the north star that kept me – and still to this day that keeps me aligned with the fact that I will be healthy, it’s going to happen, and it is, I’m healthy – was the element of faith and hope and stubborn belief.

51:21
Dr. Maya Novak:
It makes sense. So, to wrap up this amazing interview, I would like to ask you a bit of a fun and absolutely out of the box question. This is imagine that you are being injured right now and you know that the recovery is going to take a while, perhaps even a year or more, and it’s not going to be always easy.

51:48
Danna Pycher:
Right.

51:48
Dr. Maya Novak:
Now, in that moment you can choose one of two gifts. So, gift number or option number one is that you go through your recovery and do all the necessary work that is going to help you to heal in the best possible way, and when you are done, you will have this gift of preventing any future injuries. Gift number two or option number two is that you can go back in time, prevent the accident that caused this injury, but then you take your chances. So perhaps you’ll never be injured again, or perhaps tomorrow there’s another one waiting for you. So, my question here is which one would you choose and why?

52:33
Danna Pycher:
That’s hard. It depends on the day! Completely honestly there’s 80 percent of the time I feel like I’m blessed to have gone through what I’ve gone through and to learn this – to experience life this way and have developed this mindset and these tools and this life path – 80 percent of the time. Twenty percent of the time, of course, I wish it had never happened to me and my life trajectory went in a completely different direction. I was happy with life before. And there is so much growth that comes with evolving into a healer and evolving into this spiritual ascension and evolution. So, when I’m tired, it’s B!

53:24
Dr. Maya Novak:
It’s the second one…

53:26
Danna Pycher:
Yes.

53:26
Dr. Maya Novak:
… when everything’s okay, it’s number one.

53:29
Danna Pycher:
When everything is okay and fine, of course, it’s blessing all the learnings. But, of course, when I’m tired – number two! So, I don’t know if that’s fair but that’s the honesty.

53:37
Dr. Maya Novak:
It’s very honest. Because, of course, when everything is fine we are like, yay, life is amazing. I can do whatever, you know. I can do whatever, and then when we have a down moment, like I just don’t want to go through this. No, thank you.

53:53
Danna Pycher:
Of course. Yes, for sure.

53:56
Dr. Maya Novak:
Yeah. Where can people find more about you, for those who would like to learn more about your work or get in contact with you, Danna?

54:04
Danna Pycher:
Thank you so much. My website is my name dannapycher.com and you can find my email there. For the past eight years, I’ve been working one on one, and I am transitioning. I still see people one on one, but I’m transitioning from one on one to one to many. I’m doing a lot more retreats now, a lot more group healing. And just if you get on my email list, that’s the best resource. I’m always doing workshops online, in person, and stuff like that. I also have courses on better self-healing, and sometimes people just do these courses and we never even talk. But the hypnosis that I’ve done, I’ve generalized it in a way that they can feel better. My autoimmune course is specifically for people with pain, so it’s the most relevant. And actually, right now I have a bundle of autoimmune, emotional mastering, and quitting sugar for a great price. So that is something, a resource if people want to just do their own self-healing. It’s the best resource I can offer. And that’s it. So, you find me on my website mostly and reach out. Always feel free to reach out.

55:16
Dr. Maya Novak:
Fabulous.

55:17
Danna Pycher:
I’m on social media too, but I’m not the most – a social media type. I’m a fan of YouTube. I definitely love my YouTube, but the best is – thank you so much – is my website.

55:30
Dr. Maya Novak:
Perfect. Danna, I so enjoyed our conversation. Thank you so much for being here, for sharing all the goodness and helping people around the world.

55:42
Danna Pycher:
Amen, thank you so much. I appreciate your time.

55:46
Dr. Maya Novak:
Thank you for tuning into today’s episode with Danna Pycher. If you haven’t done it yet, subscribe to the podcast on whatever platform you’re using to tune in, and as mentioned before, please feel free to share this episode and podcast with your loved ones and help them out. To access show notes, links, and transcript of today’s episode go to mayanovak.com/podcast. To learn more about The Mindful Injury Recovery Method visit my website mayanovak.com and find my book Heal Beyond Expectations on Amazon. Until next time – keep evolving, blooming, and healing.

Love and gratitude xx
Dr. Maya

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