Ep. 24: Bruce H. Lipton, PhD – The Biological Effects of Fear on Your Ability to Heal

00:00 – excerpt from the episode
01:05 – intro (listen to discover a little more about your host. Martin will tell you a new lesser-known fact about Dr. Maya)

01:45
Dr. Maya Novak:
This podcast is a mix of very recent interviews and some just a bit older but still very relevant. In 2019 and 2020 I hosted The Mindful Injury Recovery World Summit. These were events where I brought together the world’s top healing experts, asked them thought-provoking questions, and got answers for my listeners that started changing their healing and lives. After each event I received such overwhelmingly positive feedback from the participants that I knew this idea needed to continue. And because of the notes such as this one from Maddy who wrote: “This is one of the most useful summits I have ever listened to,” you’re now tuning into The Mindful Injury Recovery Talks with yours truly, Dr. Maya Novak. Because I know that even a bit older interviews are invaluable I decided to release some of them on this podcast as well.
So… I remember one of the first videos I saw of Dr. Bruce Lipton, which was probably about a decade ago. There he was standing in a classroom and talking about how beliefs affect our cells and our physical bodies. I was intrigued by the easy to understand explanation as well as the important message. So when the amazing opportunity of interviewing him in 2020 presented itself, you bet I was excited. He was one of the speakers on my second summit and because the interview is invaluable, I’m sharing it also here and now on this podcast. Enjoy!

03:37
Dr. Maya Novak:
I’m joined by Dr. Bruce Lipton, who is an internationally recognized stem cell biologist, an award-winning medical school lecturer, and a keynote speaker. He is a pioneer in bridging science and spirit, and his best-selling book, The Biology of Belief, is regarded as one of the leading voices of the new biology. His groundbreaking research is not only changing the medical community, but also the lives of millions around the world by improving their physical wellbeing. Bruce, thank you so much for being here.

04:09
Dr. Bruce Lipton:
I am so honored to be with you, Maya. Thank you so very much for this opportunity because we have wonderful empowering information to offer people.

04:18
Dr. Maya Novak:
And that’s why I’m so super excited about this conversation. Now, before we go deep into the juicy part I would like first to hear your story and especially as a cell biologist why did you decide to go into epigenetics?

04:35
Dr. Bruce Lipton:
Well, I didn’t decide to go epigenetics. Epigenetics was thrust upon me because I was teaching in the medical school at the time. I was teaching students about genetic control. At the time, the word was called genetic determinism, which simply means genes determine the character of your life. So, what was I actually teaching people? Well, I was teaching them this. As far as we know, we didn’t pick the genes that we came with. And if you don’t like the characteristics, you can’t change the genes. And then we teach them that the genes turn on themselves and turn off. And all of a sudden, I said oh my goodness, if you put that all together, we are victims of our heredity, meaning the genes are controlling our life and whatever they say happens to us, and that disempowers us. That makes us victims. And while I was teaching that, I was also working on stem cells. So, very quickly, a stem cell is an embryonic cell. I change the name from embryonic cell to stem cell the moment you’re born because if I do a biopsy and look at a cell in the microscope a minute before you are born, I say, oh, there’s an embryonic cell. I wait one minute after you’re born, do the same biopsy, and look at the same cell and now I call it, oh, there’s a stem cell. Basically, because now that you’re born it’s not an embryo anymore, but they’re embryonic cells. So I say why would I have embryonic cells in my body – and this is very important – because when we see ourselves in the mirror, we see a single living thing looking back. But that’s an illusion because a body is made out of 50 trillion cells. The cells are the living organism. A human is by fullest definition, a community of living cells. And I say so we have 50 trillion cells, and then I tell people the truth, is that every day, just normal use, every day normal use, we lose hundreds of billions of cells, they die every day. Skin cells are sloughing off. The digestive tract – the lining of the digestive tract – the entire digestive tract, a trillion cells, are replaced every three days. I go, well, wait a minute, if I’m losing billions of cells every day, how long can I live? And the answer is, well, not very long, unless I can replace billions of cells. And then, all of a sudden, I say and this is why we have stem cells, embryonic cells in our body to keep us alive. So, if you’re asking yourself do I have stem cells, and the question is are you alive? And if the answer is yes, then you have stem cells in your body. So, what was relevant about my research was, as I said, I was teaching that genes control life. And very briefly, as quickly as I can, I was working with embryonic stem cells, and I was cloning them. And that means I just put one embryonic cell in a petri dish by itself. It divides every 10 hours. So, first, there’s one, then there’s two, and then there’s four and it doubles and doubles, and doubles, and after a week, I have 30,000 cells in the petri dish. The most important fact is they all came from one parent, so I have 30,000 genetically identical cells. Now, here comes the interesting experiment. In a laboratory, when you put cells in a petri dish, you grow them in something called culture medium, a fluid. So, what is culture medium? I say it’s the laboratory version of blood. So, if I grow human cells, I look at what is human blood made out of and make a synthetic version called culture medium and I put the cells in that. Well, since I made the culture medium, I can also change some of the chemistry. So, I make three different versions of culture medium and I split my embryonic cells into three different Petri dishes. So, every dish has genetically identical cells in it, but each dish has a different culture medium, which is environment. Okay?

08:34
Dr. Maya Novak:
Mhm.

08:36
Dr. Bruce Lipton:
And I said, well, what was the result? And I say well, in about three days one dish will have muscle cells. The second dish will have bone cells. And the third dish will have fat cells. And I say what does it represent? I said each environment had a different cell type. And I said so then what controlled the fate the cells? Why should it become muscle or bone? And the answer was not genetics. They all had the same genes. The only thing that was different was the environment. And so the chemistry of the culture medium controls the genetics. Well, this is completely different than what I’m teaching that a gene turns on and off. Now I’m finding out, oh no, the environment that the cells live in is read by the cells, and then the biology adjusts to fit the environment. Now you go okay, that’s pretty interesting. And I say, yeah, well it’s interesting because it means genes don’t control life. It was the environment that controlled life, not the genes. And then you say so what, those are cells in a plastic petri dish. And then I go but here’s the fact that’s fun. As I said, a human is made out of 50 trillion cells. Truth, a human is a skin-covered Petri dish with 50 trillion cells inside, but it has the original culture medium. The original culture medium is blood. Now, the point is very critical right here. And that is, does it make a difference if the cell is in a plastic dish or a skin dish? And I say it doesn’t make a difference where the cell is, it’s controlled by the environment. In the plastic dish – culture medium, laboratory version of blood. But in the skin dish, the original blood is there, so the original chemistry of the blood is what controls your genetics. Then I go, okay, my environment, my blood, is controlling my genes. And then I go, but I said it was the chemistry of the blood that made the difference. So now, we step back and we’re going to get to a big conclusion in one second here. I say, well, my blood is culture medium. What controls the chemistry of my blood? I go the brain is the chemist. Then comes the biggest breakthrough of the whole world, and that is this. So, what chemistry should the brain put into the blood? And then I go whatever picture you have in your mind, the brain translate that picture into complementary chemistry. Point – I sit here with my eyes closed, I open them up, I see someone I love. My mind’s picture of love – that’s a picture in my mind – is translated by the brain into chemistry that matches love. So, when I see love in my mind, my blood has chemistry in it from the brain of love chemistry – dopamine – which is pleasure, okay. Oxytocin comes out of the brain in love, that’s for bonding, okay. Vasopressin, another chemical that makes you more attractive so that your partner stays in love with you. And most importantly, when you have a picture of love, the brain releases growth hormone. I said, well, what’s that? I said exactly what it said it is. Growth hormone is chemistry in the blood that enhances your vitality. So I said, what does that mean? I said this is why when people fall in love they glow. This is why they’re so healthy. You go, oh, look how healthy they are. They’re in love. I go that’s the result of what? Chemistry from the brain interpreting love, going into the blood - the culture medium - and that chemistry going out to 50 trillion cells, and adjusting your biology. Now, let me just give you an opposite example so we see the range. If I close my eyes and then open them and something scares me. My brain and fear doesn’t release love chemistry. It releases fear chemistry, and this is most important for our discussion, so I’ll tell you what it is. Fear chemistry is the kind of chemistry like you’re going to run away from a saber tooth tiger. It’s called the stress hormones. I go so what do the stress hormones do? I go, well, if you’re running away from a tiger, you want all the energy of our body to be in your arms and legs so you can run. I say, so what does that mean? I say, stress chemistry causes the blood vessels in the gut to shut down, and when the blood vessels in the gut squeeze shut, it pushes the blood to the arms and legs so I can use them – because the blood is the energy. So, I push the blood – instead of in my gut – I push it to my arms and legs so I can run, okay. I go yeah, but what was the role of the gut? Oh my god, the role of the gut is the maintenance of the body, healing the body. Taking care of the growth, repairing the body, that’s what the gut does. All the organs, the stomach, the pancreas, the liver – all of these are to keep you healthy, okay. So I said, well, what happens when you get fear? I say sometimes you feel like - what do they say – butterflies in the stomach. You feel queasy. I got what is that? And I said that’s the blood vessels squeezing shut. You can feel them, butterflies, like fluttering. And I said what are they doing? They’re pushing the blood to go the outside so I can use the energy of the blood to run. And I said what else is happening? And I go the stress hormones – this is most important – the stress hormones shut down the immune system. I go why? Because, I said, have you ever been sick? And you go, yeah. And I say did you have a lot of energy? I go no; sometimes you’re so sick you don’t have energy to get out of bed. And I go well then where’s your energy when you’re sick? I say, oh the immune systems uses lots of energy to take care of us. So I say yeah, but if you’re running away from a saber tooth tiger, I don’t need the immune system right now. If I have an infection, I say do I need the immune system right now? I say no, why? If the tiger catches me, the infection’s not a problem anymore. So, I have to shut down the immune system to save energy. So, I say what are the two biggest problems of stress? Number one, it shuts down the growth and maintenance and the healing of the body in a way of saving energy to run. It shuts down the immune system so we don’t use that large amount of energy to kill bacteria or something or viruses when you need that energy to run away. So I said, so what’s the result? And I say your health is totally compromised. And I go that sounds like a stupid idea for nature, and I go look, back in history, the only things that we had to be afraid of were something like a saber tooth tiger. So, how much stress did we have? I said, no stress until the tiger shows up, then I say okay, now you have to run. And I say then what happens? I say 10 minutes later; you run away, you’re safe, no more tiger, then what? The stress hormones are shut, and now we go back into growth again. But in today’s world, stress is 24/7 365. The biology was never designed for chronic stress. It was only designed to use it very quickly and get back out of it again.
But now that I did injure myself, what can I do to make my healing faster? The idea is this – clear your mind. Be in harmony with the world around you. Do not live in fear because fear is what causes stress hormones to come in. And I go so why is it relevant? And here’s the point – because if I believe I am sick and I’m out of control, then that says, oh, what did I just believe? I am a victim. I said, oh, I’m of control. I say that’s what people tell you, but the truth is you are never out of control, and you always have the power to heal yourself, but you’ve got to do it with a healing vision, not with a vision of future problems. This is why a medical prognosis is the downfall for a reason. When I was teaching in a medical school, we taught doctors never offer false hope. Don’t give them false hope. Tell them what you think. And I say, so what’s left? If I don’t give hope, what is left as a doctor that I can tell you? And I say, well, here’s what can go wrong! And I go this could go wrong, and this could go wrong, and this can go wrong. And this is very important, we’re going to step back now, and this where we step back…

20:12
Dr. Maya Novak:
May I just – I love that you mention fear so often in this response and this answer because fear is absolutely – everybody, anyone who has a serious injury, they know that there is a lot of fear. Fear of the future, fear of re-injury, fear of what if, fear of – especially coming from the doctor’s office or hearing a surgeon, this can actually go wrong in your future. There is a lot of fear. So, I love that you mentioned fear. Now, can we talk a bit about this? What we hear in the doctor’s office, what can go wrong and how can this, potentially, negatively affect our future?

20:59
Dr. Bruce Lipton:
Yes. Okay, the first thing we have to understand is this. The brain is like a computer, and when a baby is in the last trimester of pregnancy, the brain – the operating system is working. I say what does that mean? Go to a store right now, buy a brand new computer, it’s got an operating system. You come home, you push start, it boots up. Now I say do something, do a drawing, do word processing. I can’t do it? I say why not? You have to put programs into the machine before you can use the computer. So, the child’s brain is a computer. The operating system kicks in before it’s born, but it has no programs. So, what good is a computer with no programs, they’re no good. So, I say nature has made the first seven years of our life – our brain is not operating at the level of consciousness, which we’re talking at right now. A child’s brain is operating at a lower vibration. And I mean that’s when you put wires on a person’s head and you read their brain activity, it’s called the electroencephalograph (EEG), okay. A child’s brain, the vibration of a child’s brain before seven, the child is not exercising consciousness, that’s a higher vibration. I say, well, then what’s happening between zero and seven? I say that the brain of a child is at a lower vibration, it’s called theta – a lower vibration. And I go what’s the character of theta? I say it’s imagination. And I got what does that mean? I say a child lives in the real world and the imaginary world at the very same time. Imagination – so, a child is on a broom, riding the broom, and says, this is my horse. At that moment, if you could read the brain activity of that child, that is a horse. The broom is a horse, no question. That’s theta. The mother says give me the broom. The child looks at their mother like I don’t know what you’re talking about? This is not a broom. This is a horse because it is. Or they have a tea party. They pour nothing into the cup. They drink nothing and go, oh, that was the best tea I ever had. And I say, imagination and reality, that’s theta. But now, let me give the most important fact, theta is hypnosis. I go so what? I say, how do you get a program to be a member of a family? Do you know how many rules you have to be aware of to a member of a family and how to behave? Or how to behave as a member of the community? There are thousands of rules. I mean simply how a father talks to his own child is not how the father talks to the neighbor’s child. It’s not how the father talks to the mother. It’s not how the father talks to the neighbor. It’s not how the father talks to the policeman. I go, oh, there’s so many different behaviors. I go, so here’s how we get the programs. In the first seven years, we’re in record, just like a video camera. A child’s brain watches the mother and learns the behavior. Watches the father and downloads just whatever they see, that’s how you behave. And then comes the most critical one for our story, and I go what’s that? For most people, when they’re very young, under seven, if there’s illness in the family, what does the child learn? Remember, they’re just recording. And I say what do they learn? Oh, mommy’s sick, she has to go to the doctor. Daddy’s sick, he has to go to the doctor. You’re sick; you have to go to the doctor. So, I say, in the first seven years, what is the recording about health? What is it? I don’t take care of my health, the doctor is the professional. I say so why is it relevant? Because in that programming of the computer, when it comes to health, your words don’t mean anything because you’re not the professional. Who’s the professional? The doctor is the professional. I say, so why is it relevant? Because when the doctor speaks his words, they have more truth than your belief system. You’ve given up. You say I’m not the professional, the doctor knows. Whatever the doctor says that’s true. I go so why is it relevant? And oh, my god, here’s the understanding, whatever the picture is in the mind, the brain will manifest that picture. If the picture is love, then the brain manifests love and we have love. If the picture is fear, then the body is going to manifest fear, okay. If the picture is I’m going to have a problem, like I can’t heal. The doctor said I cannot heal. I say then what’s the function of the mind? To make real, because the idea is it just takes the program and says, oh, I can’t heal myself, so I will not heal myself because it says I can’t. And so I say that’s the mind controlling the biology. You go, oh, mind controlling biology? I go it’s called placebo effect on one sense. What’s placebo? Oh, you’re very sick. The doctor says here’s the newest pill that is going to heal you, the most powerful thing that ever existed. The doctor’s words are you’re going to heal because this pill is the healing pill. You take the pill. You get better. And then you find out the pill was a sugar pill. What healed you? Not the sugar pill – the belief that the pill was going to heal you. So that’s called placebo. That’s a positive belief about a medical treatment. Here comes the biggest problem in the world, it’s that people say, yeah, I understand the placebo effect. And I go yeah, but do you know that’s the result of positive thinking? What is the result of negative thinking? And they go, what? I say here’s the result; in science, it’s called nocebo. I say what does that mean? Negative thinking is as equally powerful in creating your life as is positive thinking. But positive thinking can take you to health. Listen, negative thinking can create any disease. Negative thinking can kill you just because you believe you’re going to die. A doctor says you’ve got three months left to live. And I go what truth are you going to live by? Your truth – no way, I want to live longer. I go no; your brain is going to who’s the professional? Oh, not you, the doctor? Oh, you’ve got three months left to live, and your brain will actually cause you to shut down in three months and die whether you have the cancer or not. When they looked at a lot of people who died because the doctor said they were going to die with a cancer, and they do an autopsy, they found out the person didn’t die from the cancer. What did they die from? The belief of the cancer. So, that’s called nocebo. So, the first thing we have to understand is this. Belief controls biology because belief makes the chemistry come out of the brain that matches the belief. That chemistry goes to the cells and controls the genetics. Fact. That’s a fact. Then, of course, as we just said, well, is my belief positive or my belief negative? Why? Either one is the one that’s going to be created. If I believe I can heal myself, I’m going to heal myself. If I’m programmed that this will not happen, this is going to wrong, this is going to break, this is going to have a problem. If that’s what I get from the professional – because remember, in the first seven years, I said I don’t know my health, the doctor knows my health. And so if the doctor says yes, no, that’s going to control my life. So, now we’re dealing with the issues that you’re bringing up. And I go what’s the problem? I say, well, first of all, the doctors are not going to give you a positive result because the programming is don’t give the false hope. And then I say well what kind of information did the doctor give you? Negative information – this will go wrong, that could go wrong, this could take six months to heal. And I go, oh my god. I say what’s wrong? I say just follow the prognosis as truth and you will manifest everything that prognosis just said. And you’re doing it not because your conscious mind says, oh, I want to get sick. You’re doing it because the subconscious program is running the show. And the subconscious has given away your power to someone. So even, for example, with myself. I lecture. I lecture on the new biology, health, and consciousness and mind. One day I wake up, I’m drinking a cup of coffee, and I see the coffee is running down my shirt. And I look at the cup, and I go – where – it’s broken? No, the cup’s not broken. I drink some more and it’s running down my shirt. So I go in the bathroom and look in the mirror and I have what is called Bell’s palsy. That is where half of my face is paralyzed. So, half of my face is working and the other half is drooping – I drink the coffee and then it runs out. I get nervous, of course, because I’m a lecturer talking about health - [speaks with speech impediment] listen to me. That’s not a very good lecture. So I look, of course, in all medical books and it says, oh my god, Bell’s palsy, it’s going to take six months or a year. And I’m going I can’t go and give a lecture about health and have drool coming out of my face. I’m going, oh my god, I have three weeks until the next lecture, and I say I have to know in one week before the lecture. If I can’t get this straightened out, I can’t go and give a lecture. So, I say I have one week. It’s like you look in all the books and it’s going to take months. I say I can’t afford to do months. I need to have this done now. So, I went to a person – acupuncture. I’d never done that but I went to acupuncture, I went to chiropractic, and I said I have to have this vision fixed in my head. I have to have this fixed. Absolutely one week later - no Bell’s palsy. And I go what was the point? Had I had been a conventional person and read the medical book? It would have taken me six months to one year to fix that. It would take all kinds of drugs and steroids and everything. And it’s like no drugs, no chemistry, nothing - just the acupuncture and chiropractic adjustment. What was the result? One week, gone. I go why is that relevant? It’s consciousness. If I had used my old consciousness of a medical teacher and looked at the book, I would have been out for a minimum of six months.

31:49
Dr. Maya Novak:
Sorry to interrupt you…

31:51
Dr. Bruce Lipton:
No, go ahead.

31:52
Dr. Maya Novak:
… this is amazing in regards to injuries because I hear so many times people are saying, well, I found you later on, for example, and I went through all the medical research and journals, and I was searching for stories and what is happening to other people. And usually, especially when we have serious and potentially complicated injuries, prognosis is not like super shiny and super optimistic, and then we are feeding our mind with even more stories and potentially creating our future.

32:30
Dr. Bruce Lipton:
One hundred percent. I’ll say, first of all, this is a reflection of epigenetics. What is epigenetics? Control of the genes from above. I say what’s the control of genes? Well, as we’ve been talking about, the brain is making culture medium that controls the genes, but the chemistry of the brain is coming from the consciousness. So, our thoughts are controlling epigenetics, okay. Then you go, wow, that’s really interesting and new biology. And I go, you know what, let me give you a fact. I love this fact. The most valid science on the planet today is called quantum physics. Most people, they know the word, but they have no idea what the heck is quantum physics all about. Well, let me give you a very important fact of quantum physics. And again, this is the most valid science. There is no science with more truth than quantum physics. Let me give you fact number one. Fact number one, consciousness is creating our life experiences. This is from the basic physics, the mechanisms of the universe. They’ve been saying that since 1925. It’s only coming into our world now because there’s such a difference in the way we’ve understood the world that says consciousness is creating your life. I say why is it relevant? I say, well, change consciousness and you change your life. And I go, that is the science. If you’re worried about the science, then I go back to – if you’re a spiritual person or religious. Let’s say you came from Christian religion, and I say the master, the master Jesus, he said you can do all the miracles that I can do even better than I can do it but you do not believe. And I go this is exactly what consciousness is all about and quantum physics. This is what consciousness is all about in epigenetics. This is the new science, and it says you must put positive vision into your head because you’re going to manifest whatever that picture is. And I say look at the character of our lives. We live with more negative beliefs than positive beliefs. I go yeah, but positive belief is placebo, that can heal me. I could have any disease; with placebo, I can cure any disease. With what? No drugs, no chemistry, no intervention – consciousness – placebo – it’s this. And then but I must emphasize again, because the issue that we’re talking about here, Maya, is yeah, but it’s the negative belief. Oh, I go oh wow, yeah, that’s equally powerful, and it will manifest any disease that you are told by a professional.

35:24
Dr. Maya Novak:
We'll continue in just a moment. I wanted to quickly jump in for two things. First, thank you for tuning in. And second, I’m sure you have at least one friend, colleague, or family member who would very much appreciate this episode. So share it with them and help us spread the word. Now let’s continue…
35:45
Dr. Maya Novak:
May I just ask in regards to beliefs - and this all makes sense, what you are explaining – but do we have to be consciously aware of what kind of beliefs we have in regards to healing?

35:59
Dr. Bruce Lipton:
Yes.

36:00
Dr. Maya Novak:
Because sometimes it’s like yeah, but you know what, I so want to be healed. I so want to good and so everything’s fine, but look at me. I am actually here, struggling, and I have all these complications. I don’t know what I believe. Obviously, I want something, but my subconscious is working against me then.

36:20
Dr. Bruce Lipton:
Well, this is a good time to bring this in right now. We’ve mentioned the word conscious. We’ve mentioned the word subconscious, okay. Let’s say it’s called the mind. And I say, yeah, but the mind has two parts. We just talked about the conscious part, and that doesn’t begin until around age seven because the first seven years is subconscious programming. I say what’s the difference? Subconscious is habit. The subconscious mind creates habits that control your life. When did you learn how to walk? Before you were two. Are you still walking? Oh, that’s because you have a program. You learned how to drive. Once you learn how to drive, you don’t have to think about driving, it’s automatic. So, subconscious is automatic, okay. Conscious is creative, and then the character of it – and you just brought it up, so I’m going to bring it in again and emphasize the character is wishes and desires. That’s the conscious mind. If we are running by the conscious mind, we will manifest wishes and desires. I say but what’s the problem? And here’s the problem – the problem – which is running your life? Conscious wishes and desires? I want to be healthy. I want to be happy. I want to be complete. Okay. Or the subconscious program, which is oh, your health is controlled by somebody else. These things don’t work out. This is how you learned when you were young. I can’t do this and I can do that because I learned in the beginning, who do I think I am, and I learned these programs. I go okay, so subconscious has got programs. Seventy percent of them are limiting. Seventy percent take away our power. A program of who do you think you are? It’s like nobody? You go, yeah. That’s the belief, okay. So, I go why is it relevant? And the answer is this – and this is the problem that if you understand it, the whole world can change. Conscious mind has wishes and desires. When you’re operating from the conscious mind, you manifest wishes and desires. I say then where’s the problem? I don’t want to be sick. I want to be healthy. I go that’s conscious wishes. Now the truth, are you ready? The truth.

38:32
Dr. Maya Novak:
Yes.

38:33
Dr. Bruce H. Lipton:
Only five percent of the day are we living from the power of the conscious mind. Ninety-five percent of the day, subconscious programs run our life. The work subconscious means below conscious. It’s operating without you seeing it. You can walk without thinking about it, okay. So, I go why is relevant? And here’s the answer. When we are thinking, the conscious mind, which is like driving – imagine your body is a vehicle and a steering wheel. I say the conscious mind is driving. It can take you to wishes and desires. I want to be healthy. I want to be in love. I want a good job. I say good, you’re driving. But if you think, if you’re thinking, the conscious mind has to let go of the wheel because thinking is not looking out. Thinking is looking in. So if I say, Maya, tell me what you’re doing on Thursday. If it’s not right in front of you at this moment, where the heck are you going to get the answer? Tell me, you’re sitting right here. I say tell me what you’re going to do on Thursday? Where is that answer to be found right now? If you were going to give me an answer, where are you looking?

39:39
Dr. Maya Novak:
Inside. I’m searching for the answer.

39:42
Dr. Bruce Lipton:
That’s it. It’s inside, right. I say, oh, well, that means then you’re not paying attention outside because now you’re looking inside for answers. So here’s the point, when we are thinking, conscious mind stops looking out at the world and starts looking in because thinking inside. I say, yeah, but if you’re driving the car and you’re consciously driving the car and then you have a thought, boom you let go, you’re not paying attention. Does that mean you’re going to have a car accident? I go the subconscious knows how to drive the car. The subconscious is better than you at driving the car. And so I say why is it relevant? Because you can let go of the wheel, but your subconscious is going to drive very safe and sound and it’s a million times more powerful than the conscious mind. So it can handle everything. So, I go 95 percent of the day is the amount of time we spend thinking. Ninety-five percent of the day is your life is coming from subconscious. Here’s the big problem for everybody out there, including me, and that is this – when I am thinking, I’m not paying attention to what’s going on. My program is running it. Is it a program that gets me success or is it a program that compromises my success? I say well, it depends on where you were in the first seven years because that’s the program that’s going to play. I go, will I see the program. If I’m causing a problem in my subconscious, will I see it? And I go, no. You go, why not? Because conscious is not looking out. Conscious is looking in when you’re thinking, okay. I’ve told this story 30 years in lectures, so it’s a great story. The story goes like this. You have a friend. You know your friend’s behavior and you know your friend’s parent. One day you see your friend has the exact same behavior as their parent. So, you want to tell your friend. You go, hey Bill, you’re just like your dad. And I say back away because the first thing Bill is going to do is, how can you compare me to my dad? I’m nothing like my dad. And most people laugh because they’ve had the experience. I say what is the most profound thing of that story, why I’ve been telling it for 30 years? And the answer is this; everyone else can see that Bill behaves like his dad. The only one who can’t see it is Bill. I say why can’t Bill see it? Because when does Bill play that program? When he’s thinking. That means he’s not looking. And if he’s not looking, whatever program is playing, he can’t see it, everybody else can see it. I go so why is that a problem? Because, as I said, 70 percent of the programs we’ve got are sabotaging and disempowering and limiting beliefs and they play 95 percent of the day. So I say is it relevant? A doctor gives you a prognosis; your conscious mind has wishes? I don’t want that. I’m going to be healthy. And I go okay, that’s five percent. What’s the 95 percent? Yes, doctor, whatever you said, this will happen. Yes, doctor. The nocebo effect, okay. So, the relevance is this, we’re operating our lives, not from wishes and desires, that’s only five percent. We’re operating our lives from programs. And your question now becomes very important. How do I know what my programs are because I can’t see them? And I go your life is a print out of your subconscious programs. Point – the things that you like that come into your life, they come in because you have a program to let them come in. More important, the things that you want, the things you desire, the things that you are seeking but you have to work hard for, you have to struggle over it, you have to put a lot of effort into making it happen – why are you working so hard? The answer is because the subconscious program is not letting you get there. I want to heal myself and I am struggling, why? The subconscious program said that can’t heal yourself and now you’re trying to use five percent to run 95 percent, and it’s like that doesn’t work. But I’ll give you an insight into the secret of it, and I love it because it’s called the honeymoon effect. I go what does that mean? I go every day your life is blah, blah, blah, and then one day you meet someone so special and your life is, oh my god, I’m so in love. I just fell in love. I go 24 hours later; life is like heaven on earth. Life is beautiful. I am happy. I am glowing with health. Life is wonderful. I call that – it’s called the honeymoon. I go wait a minute, your life was blah, blah, blah, and then after you met this person, 24 hours later life is heaven on earth? What’s different? And here it is – science has recognized when we fall in love like that, we stop thinking. We stay what is called mindful. We stay what is called present. The idea is very obvious. You’ve been looking for this person your whole life. This is not that time to think. This is time to be here and enjoy, so you stop thinking. I go well, what happens? I say in your normal life, only five percent is coming from wishes and desires but when you fall in love, over 90 percent of your life is manifesting wishes and desires. That’s called the honeymoon and your life changes instantly, and it’s healthy and beautiful and loving. Then I go, but then the honeymoon goes as well. I say, well, it doesn’t last forever, and I say why not - because soon or later you start thinking! And I say what’s the result when you start thinking? I say those programs in your subconscious that were negative, they haven’t played. They don’t play when you’re conscious. They only play when you’re not being conscious. I say so what does that mean? I say, well, you’ve got all these negative damn programs in your subconscious. Your partner in your romance never saw the negative programs because when you were being in honeymoon you didn’t play any negative programs. You only played wishes and desires, that’s how you made honeymoon. But the moment you start thinking, the old behaviors start showing up. These behaviors do not generally support the relationship, and this is why what was a beautiful honeymoon can disappear. Now it’s regular life again. Why? Because now you’re playing the same old damn programs that you were playing before, and the honeymoon is now over. So I say why is relevant? And just very quickly, the answer is this; the honeymoon is the equivalent of absolute health. And I go how did you get absolute health? I said I stopped thinking. And I go why is that relevant? It was my thinking that took away the health. My health wasn’t taken over by genes or viruses or bacteria. My health was taken over because my conscious mind was in charge for the first time and not playing the program. But when the program comes back, all the problems that you had in your life will start to come right back in again and show up. So the idea is this, are we just victims? And the answer is no, my god, from quantum physics, from epigenetics, from spiritual traditions, they all say the exact same thing – consciousness is creating it. What is your consciousness? If you buy somebody else’s words, you’ve given up your power to let their words become truth. Almost all of us, as I said, that first seven years is when we give up power over our health to buy the truth that a doctor offers. If the doctor doesn’t offer anything positive, then the manifestation you’re going express, the nocebo equivalent and negative thinking can manifest everything, including death. You can die just from the belief you’re going to die. And so this is why when we get together, Maya, the most important thing we’re talking about at this moment is, so where’s your belief and who’s giving you your belief? And if it’s a conventional physician, I can assure you right now, they’re not going to offer things that you could heal yourself because they don’t know, but they know the negative stuff. And so they will tell you all the negative things. And I go well, that’s called nocebo, and I gave up my power to buy the truth of that professional. So, the whole thing about healing ourselves is you better start changing your belief system. You have to start recognizing I am in charge of my genes. It’s called epigenetics. I’m in charge of my consciousness. That’s called quantum physics. And the reality from the spiritual. I could do the miracles that the master could do, but I had trouble believing I could do it, and the idea about healing. And think about it this way, a person is given a diagnosis they have a spinal injury. What’s the diagnosis? You’ll never walk again. You’ll never walk again. And they hear this over and over. I say most people, guess what, will never walk again. But what about those people that have miracle – he healed himself. He was able to walk again. Miracle! I go not a miracle. That was an individual who said I do not buy the words of that prognosis. I resist that prognosis. I’m going to create a different life, and I’m not buying that story. Because if you buy the story – paralysis the rest of your life. If you don’t buy the story and you really take over with your conscious mind and change that program, I’m not buying your truth, I’m buying my truth. My truth is I’m going to heal myself, and I’m going to heal myself fast. I can do this right now. I can do a miracle on myself by changing my belief system. So, this is why I was so happy to have the opportunity to talk with you because this is what people need to know as patients. If that’s your story and you buy it from that guy, then that’s your story. You want a different story? You have to let go and you have to believe in yourself.

49:39
Dr. Maya Novak:
And perhaps sometimes you also need to find another doctor if you are – because when you are injured, we are definitely not saying here don’t go to the doctor’s office.

49:52
Dr. Bruce Lipton:
No.

49:52
Dr. Maya Novak:
This is not what we are saying here. But it’s just if you are going to the doctor’s office, and if a doctor is also very negative, perhaps it’s time to find someone who will support you so that you can actually be empowered in your healing, right?

50:05
Dr. Bruce Lipton:
Exactly, and that’s why those doctors that have that different mentality, their patients do better than the conventional doctor that says I’m not going to offer false hope. I say you’re not offering any hope! You’re not offering anything. And those – the more positive ones, I say yeah, look not everybody can heal themselves, but there’s a percent that do and you could be on the percent of the positive side. You don’t have to be the percent on the negative side. And these are the kind of doctors, I say look, you can try. You can do this. People have done this. People have done this. You’re not the only one. Other people do this. You can do this. And that’s when the truth of a doctor that you want is the truth that’s in harmony with where you want to go, and that’s where the best opportunity of healing will come from. But if you run into a negative all everywhere you go, it’s like well this – get out of that profession. Start to look at other forms of healing because that one is going to limit you until you change your belief system.

51:11
Dr. Maya Novak:
Exactly. We touched on hope quite a few times here. I would love to ask you, sometimes with healing and recovery, it can be really long. Not just a few weeks or months, sometimes it’s months and months or sometimes years. And sometimes people start losing hope about their healing and recovery. So, what would you say to someone who is losing hope about their recovery?

51:39
Dr. Bruce Lipton:
They’re losing hope because A) they probably didn’t get any hope in the first place, whatever the diagnosis or prognosis was. They didn’t lose hope. They were told to lose hope, okay. And how long does it take to heal? Well, that’s a variable. Everything’s a variable. And then I go, well, what’s a miracle? Well, that’s the healing that happened faster than anybody else said it could have happened. But then I said, but it’s from biology and from physics, that’s an expectation, okay. So, the idea about losing hope is that you’ve been given a prognosis, so it’s going to take a long, long time. I got a prognosis for my own Bell’s palsy by reading it. I didn’t have to have the doctor tell me. I had the medical book right there and it says six months to a year. Oh jeez, I can’t live that way. I had to make a change. I said I cannot do it this way. I must heal myself or I can’t give that lecture. And the reality was what? One week. Out. Gone. Gone. And the reality was had I just been like any other patient or anything it would have – my career would have ended at that moment because for the next six months I wouldn’t have been able to talk to anybody. And the reality is what? I want people to understand that I’m not anything magical. I’m just the person who said I can’t do that! I can’t do that. I have to have another answer, and I created another answer. And I perceived it by going to other people, getting out – I didn’t follow – I didn’t go to a conventional medical doctor. I already know what they would have told me. I could read what they would tell me, it’s in the book. I didn’t need that. I just had to go to other healing to say there’s a better way to get to this than conventional allopathic medical pharmaceutical healing. I’m not a fan of the pharmaceutical stuff at all because of a very simple reason. Let’s just give a fact of science. If a drug you take can affect you, that means in the body there is a receptor, a protein that will read that drug and say, oh, here’s the drug, now I’m better, okay. I say if there’s already a receptor, it’s not that the body is waiting for you to go to the pharmacy. If there’s a receptor, it says the body can already make something that goes in there. It doesn’t make a receptor that says, well, when you get to be 50, maybe you’ll find a doctor that will put a drug into this receptor. I go if you have a receptor, it’s because you already make a chemical that does the same thing. And that’s the most important understanding of pharmaceuticals. If a pharmaceutical works, it means you already have something equivalent to that in the body because the receptor for the pharmaceutical didn’t exist waiting for the pharmaceutical. The receptor existed because you already make a chemical that fits in there. And then question is, well, if I’m not making the chemical, why am I not making the chemical? Why do I need to take the pharmaceutical? And the answer is consciousness will prevent that chemical from being released if that’s the belief. And all of a sudden it’s just, oh my goodness, yeah. And it’s unfortunate because one-third of all medical healings is actually due to placebo. That’s a fact of science.

54:56
Dr. Maya Novak:
Yes!

54:57
Dr. Bruce Lipton:
One third – meaning the doctor didn’t have to do anything. There’s a joke, I love it – because remember in that first seven-year period, oh, you have to go to the doctor, you’re sick. Here’s the joke, no one ever said what the doctor had to do. What was the point? I have to go to the doctor. I say why is it relevant? Because how many people got better on the way to the doctor’s office or waiting in the waiting room waiting for the doctor? All of a sudden it’s like, jeez, I don’t feel as bad as I did before I got here. I go you were able to heal yourself first. Look, healing has been a character of human biology thousands and thousands of years before medical school. There was no medical school. People healed themselves all the time. How did they do it? They did it with healing consciousness, healing touch, and all that. No intervention – consciousness was changed, okay. Then medicine comes in. As a matter of fact, medicine – even before the Civil War in the United States, medicine wasn’t really – it was called surgery. That was the only thing doctors did, and they were out on the battlefield and that’s where they were real important, you know. Cut off a leg, take a bullet out, and do all these surgery things, right. The joke is so then where did the medical professional come from, right? With all the hundreds and hundreds of doctors that were involved with the Civil War, when the war was over, what are doctors doing? When they were involved in World War 1, it was the same thing, thousands of doctors in the field. Now they come home, the war’s over. Who needs a surgeon? Okay, a few people, but they realized there’s this profession that they could help people but there’s no war. So, they gave the medical profession to the surgeons and built the whole medical profession around that. And so, I can honestly sit here and tell you from my deep feelings, yeah, if it’s an issue of surgery, I trust the medical profession implicitly. They’ve been doing that for hundreds of years. They know how to do it. It’s a machine. You cut it out. You sew it up. You put it back together again. But when it comes to something like cancer, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, it has nothing to do with surgery. I go what does it have to do with? Pharmaceuticals, that’s what they give. I go pharmaceuticals are deadly. Three hundred thousand Americans die every year from prescription drugs. And I go because that’s the only thing they can push. If you have something - I need to take your heart out and put a new heart in, I need to set your bone, I need to sew you up – medical doctors are absolute miracle workers. But okay, how about cancer? Oh, we’re going to do radiation and chemotherapy. I go, you know, that radiation and chemotherapy was started in 1920 and 1930, and I say since then, 100 years, with a trillion dollars worth of medical research, what are they doing, chemotherapy, and radiation. I go that’s the same poison they were using back in 1930! Huh, it hasn’t changed. It’s not how cancer – cancer is not caused because the cells went crazy. Let me give a fact. There’s not one gene that causes cancer. There’s no gene that if you have that gene, you have cancer. Not one. And I go wow, and I go why? Because we’ve all been programmed that genes cause cancer. So, Angelina Jolie, her mother died from breast cancer, and her grandmother died from breast cancer. Her family pushes her to do what? You should have your mastectomy. You should have your breasts removed and that way you won’t die of breast cancer. And so she does, she has a mastectomy. She is young. She didn’t have any cancer at all. They said well if you do it now you won’t get the cancer. So, what’s that based on? The belief that because she had the same gene, the BRCA1, the breast cancer gene 1 that her mother had, they said that’s the gene that causes the cancer. I go really? Fifty percent of the women who carry that gene never get the cancer. That’s a very important conclusion. First, in conclusion, having the gene does not cause the cancer.

59:26
Dr. Maya Novak:
And again we come to the environment, where we started. So, in what kind of environment the cells are, and again, we come to the mind and how the mind affects the brain, and how it affects the whole biochemistry of the body. And here we are, whether we are talking about diseases such as cancer or we are talking about potential complications after an injury.

59:49
Dr. Bruce Lipton:
Yes. All of that is because you will manifest a belief system. And that’s what quantum physics says. Consciousness is creating your life experience. If you want a different life experience, then change your consciousness. You don’t have to change the world. Change your consciousness. The world will change automatically. So, we have to let go of I’m a victim, that’s a program. I say, well, what’s relevant about a victim program? A victim program means you have no power. I’m a victim. I am powerless. I say why is that relevant? And here’s the catch – if you feel that you’re a victim, you will pay anybody who says they’re a rescuer. I can rescue you. How much money do you have?!

1:00:35
Dr. Maya Novak:
[laughter]

1:00:36
Dr. Bruce Lipton:
Then it’s like, what? And it’s interesting; I get so upset because of the medical industry. It’s not the doctors. I want to really clear that up. They’re being trained by an industry to offer the drugs and whatever they do. They’re trained to do that. I go so why is relevant? So I say, okay, there’s an issue with the liver. My brother even had it, it’s called Hepatitis C. They say, oh, you will never get rid of Hepatitis C. It will be for the rest of your life and it could kill you. And then they come up and they say we have a drug, and it will stop it – ninety-something percent get rid of it. And I said, well, how much is that drug? Well, it’s only $1,000 a pill. Oh, really? How many pills must I have for Hep C? One hundred pills. I go wait a minute, that’s $100,000. You can heal me for $100,000? You guys put a price tag on my life for $100,000. It doesn’t cost $100,000 to make that drug. That’s for all the money that goes to the shareholders, that’s where that goes! But here’s one that’s even worse. There’s an issue called muscular spinal atrophy. And I say what’s relevant? This is a baby, when it’s born, will have muscular spinal atrophy. I say what’s the consequence? Well, the child’s not going to live that long. Number two; to be kept alive you’re going to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical treatment to keep that child alive. And then all of sudden we find, oh my god, there’s a company – I think it’s Novartis – comes out and says we have a treatment for that. And I say what does it mean? I say here’s a woman who’s just given birth. She has this baby. Man, the bond between that mother and that child is like the most important thing in the whole world. And then the doctor comes up and says – and he might as well wear a mask with a gun, and says you want that child to stay alive, we have the answer. And I say and how much is the cost for this? $1.2 million. Tell that to a mother whose baby is in her arms, and then say all you need to do is come up with $1.2 million and we could save your child. First of all, you could save my child, not even talking about the damn cost. But $1.2 million? That’s robbery.

1:03:19
Dr. Maya Novak:
Yeah.

1:03:20
Dr. Bruce Lipton:
So, a woman should say, oh yeah, okay, thank you. I’ll just let my child die. I can’t afford it. And it’s like they’ll do anything they can in the whole world to get $1.2 million. Over 50 percent of bankruptcies in the United States are because of medical bills.

1:03:36
Dr. Maya Novak:
Yes, this definitely a topic we could talk a lot about because it’s true, and especially with healing and injuries, my goodness. And I worked for a pharmaceutical company years ago, so it is a business, absolutely. I’m a doctor of veterinary medicine – no, no, no, it’s okay! I’m a doctor of veterinary medicine and I actually went into pharmaceutical because they were really looking for medical professionals and it was easy to go into that. And when we moved to New Zealand, I left that job. But it is a business, absolutely.

1:04:16
Dr. Bruce Lipton:
Yeah. And it’s not really caring about the patient as much as the shareholder.

1:04:22
Dr. Maya Novak:
Yeah. Oh, we could talk a lot about this, absolutely.

1:04:27
Dr. Bruce Lipton:
Yes, we don’t need to. [chuckles]

1:04:28
Dr. Maya Novak:
No. [chuckles]

1:04:28
Dr. Bruce Lipton:
We can just bypass it say it’s not the drug. [laughs]

1:04:32
Dr. Maya Novak:
Yeah. Let’s stay with positive beliefs about healing and everything, and the mind and what we are thinking and what we are visioning. So, we covered a lot in this hour. I would love to ask you one what is your number one advice that you would give someone who is injured right now? Number one, what should they do?

1:04:54
Dr. Bruce Lipton:
It’s to start to recognize what is your intention and what is your desire. Not what the prognosis was. What’s your intention and what’s your desire? And then I would say the next most important part is to identify are you going to buy the prognosis as truth or are you going to make a switch and say no, I am the powerful one. I can do this. And then start to live by that. It’s real important. It’s a way of life. You can’t just mindless go off because the automatic subconscious will kick back in again. You have to be in charge of your consciousness. You can change your subconscious beliefs - this is very critical – to re-empower yourself because as I said, almost all the programming in that first seven years – or 70 percent of it anyway, is negative. Negative – who do you think you are? You’re not that powerful. You’re not that smart. You’re not healthy. You’re not this, that, blah, blah, blah. And then I go, well, that’s where life comes from. And if you understand that, and you can do what I did. Look, Bell’s palsy scared the hell out of me because my whole career would have gone down the tubes. You can’t talk about health and have drool coming out of your mouth. That doesn’t work, you know! [laughs]

1:06:09
Dr. Maya Novak:
Yeah! [laughs]

1:06:10
Dr. Bruce H. Lipton:
And the reality is I had to make a commitment to myself at that moment that said I will be better. I must be better because I cannot have a career, period. And then for that week, man, every day I did every thinking and every action and every consciousness was no, I can do this. I am. I’m better. Here I am. I’m better. And I’ll do this. I’ll get a chiropractic adjustment. Why? don’t need invasive stuff to go inside my body. I need to fix this part, okay. Everything that affects consciousness is what is most important. Not what affects your body, what affects consciousness because your consciousness is going to shape your body. If your consciousness is not 100 percent behind you because of subconscious programming, your struggle isn’t with the world. Your struggle isn’t even with your own self here. Your struggle is with the consciousness part. And when you empower yourself, that’s when the miracles occur. Yes, he walked again; nobody said he could do it. Oh my god, he had cancer but it’s called spontaneous remission. What’s a spontaneous remission? In every case, it’s when somebody took the power back and said wait a minute, I can heal myself. I don’t need – I heal myself – I heal my self. And their change of life. We blame cancer. We say the cells cause cancer. The answer is no, the cells are just responding to the consciousness. Change the consciousness and the cancer will disappear. It’s called spontaneous remission. And I say but that doesn’t just mean cancer. An injury can disappear, all of these things. Healing can be almost instantaneous, and people have talked about this historically. But then our belief system today is oh, that really can’t happen. I say, well, the moment you said it can’t happen, it’s not going to happen. That’s not your belief. So, I’m glad you asked me to come here and talk about this because I just need to leave people with this. You are so powerful, and you’re the one that doesn’t believe it. And if you don’t believe you’re powerful, then by definition you believe you’re a victim. And if that’s your belief, then you will manifest everything you believe. And then remember placebo versus nocebo. Placebo, everyone says yeah, I understand, positive thinking healed me. And I’m going please understand that negative thinking can kill you. That it’s equally powerful. It’s which direction is your mind? Are you thinking of the positive side or are you looking at the negative side? Why? Whichever one your mind is focusing on is the one that will manifest.

1:09:07
Dr. Maya Novak:
This is very, very empowering. I can imagine that for some it might be also scary because then it’s, oh, it’s my responsibility, my body is my responsibility. But this is exactly what it is, healing. Taking the responsibility for yourself.

1:06:38
Dr. Bruce Lipton:
Yeah, and it’s very hard because basically, you know, cancer as I said, is a lifestyle consequence, okay. And when people sometimes find out, it’s like I created my own cancer. They don’t want to buy that. It’s just easier to believe that the cells did this. I don’t want to buy that – because they feel guilty. They feel ashamed. And I go - let me close with this Maya because this is the most important fact. Are you ready?

1:09:35
Dr. Maya Novak:
Yes.

1:09:36
Dr. Bruce Lipton:
The words guilt, shame, victim, blame – they do not count if you have no knowledge. If you have no knowledge of something, I can’t be guilty. You can’t blame me. Nobody gave me any knowledge. I have a standard shift car, and I say oh, here, take my car and go to town. And you say I don’t know how to drive a standard shift. I say, okay, take the car anyway. Then in the car, you call me from the road and the car is broken, can I yell at you and say well, you stupid idiot, you killed the car? I say no. You didn’t know how to drive it in the first place. That’s not your problem. It was my problem. I gave you the car. And the idea about it is this, we can heal ourselves but we didn’t know that. And then all of a sudden we start to get sick. And then I say yeah, but you helped create that. And I go no, but you did it without knowledge, and therefore I cannot blame you. You cannot use shame – oh, I’m ashamed of what I did. You didn’t even know what you were doing. Until knowledge is present, those words do not count. I am not a victim. How do you know? Until you get better knowledge, you don’t know. But once you start to understand what we’re talking about, then I say from this point forward, now you have responsibility. Whatever happened in the past, no responsibility because no one taught you. If you have no knowledge, how can I blame you, and don’t blame yourself. You can’t blame yourself. Nobody gave you the knowledge. So, the beautiful part about this is history teaches you a lesson. The future, I got a new plan and I’m going to go from here forward with a different plan. Whatever happened in the past, oh, that’s a history story. But at this time, I’m going to change history for a future. I’m going to create my future with new knowledge. Knowledge is power. If you don’t have knowledge of what we’re talking about, you have no power. A lack of knowledge is a lack of power. And what we’ve been talking about, Maya, is you are totally powerful but you didn’t know it. [laughs]

1:11:46
Dr. Maya Novak:
Yes.

1:11:47
Dr. Bruce Lipton:
But now that you’re beginning to know it, I want you to take that responsibility because that is the way out of any problem on this planet.

1:11:54
Dr. Maya Novak:
This is the best conclusion and tip. So, whatever happened in the past, because you did not have the knowledge, forget about it. Focus on what you can start changing right now, with the knowledge that we discussed here.

1:12:10
Dr. Bruce Lipton:
Yes.

1:12:11
Dr. Maya Novak:
Bruce, where can people find more about you?

1:12:16
Dr. Bruce Lipton:
It’s so simple. It’s called brucelipton.com. There’s articles, there’s audios, there are videos – on all of the topics that we’ve been talking about. Free, download them, read them, watch them, listen to them. Why? It’s education. Knowledge is power and I really think that the website really empowers people to take back control of their life and stop being a victim when they are absolute creators.

1:12:47
Dr. Maya Novak:
Absolutely. Oh my goodness, we could talk here for hours, I have a feeling! But we’re going to conclude it now. Thank you so much for being here, and for sharing this and for giving people back hope that perhaps they lost, and also empowering them to take care of their bodies and their healing. So, thank you, Bruce, so much.

1:13:11
Dr. Bruce Lipton:
Yes, thank you for this opportunity, and I thank everyone out there for listening because if you begin to understand the whole can change when we start to create the world we want, not the one we’ve been programmed to buy.

1:13:25
Dr. Maya Novak:
Thank you for tuning into today’s episode with Dr. Bruce Lipton. If you haven’t done it yet, subscribe to the podcast on whatever platform you’re using to tune in, and share it with your loved ones – yes, I’m thanking you in advance with a cherry on top. 🙂 To access show notes, links, and transcript of today’s episode go to mayanovak.com/podcast and click on episode 24. And to learn more about The Mindful Injury Recovery Method visit my website mayanovak.com and find my book Heal Beyond Expectations on Amazon. Until next time – keep evolving, blooming, and healing.